Dain Ironfoot level 10 summon and Ram Riders?

[Odysseus]

Guten abend ET and community,

I have a little enquiry and proposal for Dain Ironfoot attached with a poll.

What exactly is the meaning or role of his ''Dwarven Realms'' summon?

He spawns four units from the different realms, which sounds neat, but at the point where Dain is level 10, it is kind of lacking. Why, you ask? It summons basic troops, without any upgrades. There are not even any dwarven defenders, slaughterers or Great Axe Guardians. Just phalanx, guardians, crossbowmen and axe throwers if I am correct.

I was thinking, because the community clearly seems to ''whine'' a lot about Iron Hills, we could change the idea to the following: Replace that ability with a ''Ram Rider'' summon and to perhaps differentiate it a little from the older Dain and Mister Arkenstone, we could set it to level 9. Because, if I recall correctly, one king has a final level 10 ability, the other a final level 8, we are only missing a final level 9 ability . (Ps. I am probably wrong, so correct me.)

Anyway, it would summon something like three small Ram Rider battalions for a short to medium duration that mostly specialise in knocking enemies around, without almost instantly dying like the BattleWagon. They'd be similar to Warg Riders in a sense with less attack speed and power perhaps, but more durable and more knockback?

You already possess the model (from Murin's summon and the Battle Wagon), and the animation (Warg Riders, Dain Ironfoot mounted), perhaps it would be nice to implement that for the community. It is of course not a priority at all, but it is a suggestion to consider, perhaps? I will let the poll go for 7 days, if I have your permission of course.

I look forward to hear your thoughts!

Kind regards.

[Saruman_the_wise]

I think using them as a summon bye dain is an excellent idea!

[aminetude]

I think using them as a summon bye dain is an excellent idea!

yes indeed, and making them temporary summon will even fit more with the movie, since the ram riders helped dain just for a little while ( i guess they dismount from their rams later to fight the orcs )

[Elite KryPtik]

This has been suggested countless times now, and while I did vote to have them summonable in the poll, I guarantee you its not going to happen. The team have stated multiple times on several different threads that they do not like the designs of the Iron Hills Dwarves in the movies, and that they don't think the Dwarves should have any cavalry. Sorry, not trying to be a fun-killer, but don't get your hopes up.

[NetoD20]

I like the summon idea (even though I voted for a buildable implementation). But particularly I would absolutely like the liberty of using them as a permanent summon. Also the current models for them as used in Murin's skill is kinda bad, because they're nothing more than regular guardians on rams.

I must say that I like @Odysseus comparison of them to Warg Riders, and his idea that they could be a slower cavalry unit but with higher armor and the ability to knock enemies back (I think the knockback thing should also apply to Ram Chariots).

I think using them as a summon bye dain is an excellent idea!

yes indeed, and making them temporary summon will even fit more with the movie, since the ram riders helped dain just for a little while ( i guess they dismount from their rams later to fight the orcs )

Personally I don't believe that the fact of them not appearing much in the movie is enough to say that a temporary summon fits them. As opposed to other units that currently appear in the mod as temporary summons, the Ram Riders were a integral part of Dáins army, not last moment reinforcements like the Rohirrim to Gondor or Gondor  forces to Arnor. There's plenty of permanent summons in the game and I don't see a reason to why RRs should be temporary.

[Odysseus]

@Kryptik
Personally, I don't mind what they decide in the end on them. I just let this poll go to evaluate some of the popular opinions. I do think it is worth discussing to some extent.

[korner]

omg another discussion about ram riders? Really??

It has been stated a hundred times that the team doesn´t like them and that they won´t implement them (besides Murins spell), no matter what polls or evaluations are being made.
Why can´t people accept such decision?

Do as you like, if you like to waste your time.

[CragLord]

omg another discussion about ram riders? Really??

It has been stated a hundred times that the team doesn´t like them and that they won´t implement them (besides Murins spell), no matter what polls or evaluations are being made.
Why can´t people accept such decision?

Do as you like, if you like to waste your time.

Maybe because some of those lads simply don't know about history of dwarven topics?
And why you always need to be "one" who points out something in the name of ET ???? This is not your first time!
ET underlined their decision about this matter and we know about that, but also your post of this content is unneeded and will make chaos in topic... Simply think about that, maybe???

[korner]

sorry, I forgot that it´s your right to post comments on every thread while it´s not allowed for me.
Next time i´ll ask you before I write my comments to get your permit!

[CragLord]

And this is your famous effect on topic... We start now with posting of something which isn't part of this topic. I have just gave you suggestion, because there is no reason to point out something in name of team! And yes, please improve your conduct in future posts!
(My last comment about this matter)

[korner]

And this is your famous effect on topic... We start now with posting of something which isn't part of this topic. I am just give you suggestion, because there is no reason to point out something in name of team! And yes, please improve your conduct in future posts!!!!

or maybe it´s the effect of your answer to my post?

Anyways: Each time I post any criticism on this forum, you´ll post an insulted answer some minutes later.
This forum is meant for discussion, and discussion works only if people share different opinion.
It is allowed to say: "guys your idea has been rejected several time, do yourself a favour and don´t wast your time".
I never say they are not allowed to make those polls!!! I just tell them that they are wasting their time - for which they should be gratefull!

But somehow on the english forum every criticism is always taken as an insult. I don´t know why, but if you cannot accept others having different opinion then you, maybe it´s not the right board for you.

[Walküre]

First of all, korner, you wrote about respecting other opinions, but, it's indeed not the first time that you seem to be a little bit 'harsh' and judgemental about films-based discussions or polls.
You are not the one in charge to indicate, even in an apparently pacific way, what other users should discuss about to not waste their time.
The thread is still open, and, like for the previous BOTFA Iron Hills Soldiers one, it is a relatively open space to express the varying opinions of, primarily, the English Community, in this case.

CragLord, as it is an open place of discussion, everyone is also free to express, within the rules, its negative opinions, though lore or Dwarven History accurate could these proposals be.
Otherwise, it wouldn't be Discussion at all.

It's always useful discussing with these films-based themes, that involve a lot of aspects in the general structure of the Edain Mod.
But, keep in mind, if this turns out to be what the previous Dwarven poll became, I will be probably forced to lock this thread.
If you want more 'heated' chats with others that have very different opinions from yours, you can easily do it via PMs.
Please, respect each other and keep this thread a welcoming place for possible new suggestions.

Greetings 

[Whale Sharku]

I think that korner never intended to have this thread being closed. He is making arguments, just like you are. It's just a different kind of argument that works on a different level and should not be confused with the act of denying others their opinion.

[Odysseus]

I had no idea, sorry about that. Close the poll whenever you see fit.

[Walküre]

I had no idea, sorry about that. Close the poll whenever you see fit.

No, don't worry, I mentioned the possibility of locking the topic only if the hateful and raging situation of a previous thread will take place again.
But, I'm really convinced that it won't happen.
The Discussion is obviously still open 

I think that korner never intended to have this thread being closed. He is making arguments, just like you are. It's just a different kind of argument that works on a different level and should not be confused with the act of denying others their opinion.

I know, he was expressing his position, and, I also clearly understood that he didn't want to indicate whether this thread deserves to be closed or not.
I called him out for what I felt it was a not very appropriate way to behave in threads and discussions in general, stating what others, in his opinion, shouldn't do to 'waste their time'.
I just didn't see it very proper to encourage or enrich an useful discussion.
And, I also called CragLord out, to accept with a more critical spirit current and future negative and opposing opinions to his.
Furthermore, the two had a similar 'misunderstanding' as well in the past, always in the Dwarven Suggestions.

My primary interest is maintaining and ensuring a peaceful and quiet context in which everyone is free, and possibly encouraged, to meaningfully contribute to any kind of debates